(David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Very, very serious. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. ago More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. But something kept me going, and. She was born to the late th Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. I mean, she. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. What if she is backed in a. corner? the water. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. But with special people, yes. Easy duty. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. But the book is also the story of a remarkable couple whose journey of grief took them from the suburban comfort of Northern California to the harsh coast and courts of Newfoundland, Canada. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. Highly recommended. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. He said, `The psychotic bitch. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. Hed been shot five times. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. What a flaky person. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. When the Bagbys visited the mortuary and saw Zachary's tiny body covered by a white sheet, they fell apart. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? MORRISON: What do you do about this? He was like, `Eh, mm.' Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. You Have Been Warned). Sheers asked Turner to move out, which she did, but not before selling his computer and taking his camcorder with her. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". murderer in check. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. Turner was twice divorced and one of her last three noteworthy partners was murdered, another was living in fear of her in Pennsylvania and the third was complaining to police that Dr. Turner had harassed him.. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. At least he might have asleep when she went in. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. We decided that on the plane.. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 16, 2016. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. . That word closure? MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. I had a husband I loved. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. David was taking pictures, Kate says. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. First she killed Andrew Bagby. The title of the documentary, "Dear Zachary" jumped out at me because I have a son named Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. I was truly shocked when I watched it. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. I just want to get through medical school.'. They recorded them. He, consumed by anger. They dated for about a year before leaving Canada. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearablebut Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Zachary, how's our baby today? Cancel online anytime. And we came back. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. My gut just churned. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. Right, right. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. Then she killed his brother. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. I'm absolutely sure. Snow. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. Shirley Turner had some startling news. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. I said, `Oh, no. Add a bio, trivia, and more. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. 1 Photo. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. Now, she sucked us in here, too. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. It's. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. quiet. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. 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