A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch.. I agree. I have no dog in this race. There have been behaviors that in the general course of events one may expect from a single parent that in a way have been falsely interpreted as being some form of evil.. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. Hugi did not want that. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. I will not remove anything. Q. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. Lets not take that lightly. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. And I care about the lack of evidence. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. She then went through the State (Circuit) Court habeas corpus relief for four years to no avail. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. I hope she is granted parole. In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story. We talked about Steve's love of Marvel films and we joked about the staff knowing we were on a blind date because the waitress had . She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much ofa defense anyway. I am not sure. Gun shot residue is not always present. And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever. Exactly Libby why did they say during the trial that he saw his mom? All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Right?? The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. 1. Are you still taking comments by email? Brewer changed his mind. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. That is pure bullshit. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. Did u learn nothing?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Again I go back to how times were back then. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. How interesting. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. You wondered at times, which side he was working for. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. Once again, Diane said a lot of things. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. Basically then at that Every single one of these questions matter. It sounds pretty fair to me. Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. 6. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. Steve Downes has voiced the Master Chief in the Halo games since his 2001 debut, and his voice has become synonymous with the character.However, despite Jen Taylor being asked to reprise her role as the . Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. The detective said if Diane would just testify against Steve Downs, she and her children could go home and try to put their lives back together. At that timeand now!! The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. She took care of herself not her children. I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. They should have stayed out of it instead of contributing to her revictimization. As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. But the guy who said to several people that he was the shooter happens to resemble the sketch they came up with at the time for a reason. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. Halo Infinite. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. They were put in an impossible situation. The strong, emotive language. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan ONeil. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. Its a rather large part of the story. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as, To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for, Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared . Simply because I researched them. Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. Without her daughters testimony and the lies about the gun, they could not have found her guilty in a fair trial. lol. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com Why is there virtually no info on him? The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. I especially loved reading everyones comments. why didn't steve downs get custody. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. What was the rationale behind this? She could have stayed on the side of the road. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. No one bothered with these details so I did. It was flawed. Thanks for the link. Shes guilty. answer the question why didn t steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. What was the justification? tell someone else. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. Whats next? HUGE conflict of interest. Very little is definitively known in this area. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. Everyone in the world can believe something. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. I know several foster parents and social workers. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! To Lisa Griggs The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. View theaffidavits. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. The detective said to leave that up to the police. You hit the nail right on the head. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. Everything was in the bag and ready for trial. Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . The unicorn, the song, her personality. Anything less is a conflict of interest. Do you remember probably about four or five days after Hello. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! She was fighting back and they did not like it. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. Thats the problem with high profile cases. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. The kids were shorted-changed. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. (Appendix 81, page 1466). We dont know. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? It appears that you have to be a perfect mother with no lovers and not afflicted with any mental illness to be considered innocent until proven guilty in America. You need real evidence in court. It was not the right gun. A. They would have tried to reopen the case. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. This happened in 1983, not 1893. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62). Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. Her other daughter and son were severely injured. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. If not, why not? Dr. Obrecht Learns if She's a Bone Marrow Match for Willow Plus, Nikolas' Whereabouts Are Revealed. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. Im sorry but your article is tosh. Steve made some piss poor choices when he had visitation with the kids after the shooting; he permitted them to go off alone with Dianne, when she was not supposed to have had any contact at all with the children. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. It's February 28, 2023, and Luke Schenn was just traded to the . They lied about the ballistics. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. Many troubling elements of the case were discovered after the trial, but there was enough during the proceedings to be asking questions. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. I refer you to this section of the blog: They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. I would say so. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History I dont. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. It simply states the facts of the case. Great blog post, thank you. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. And Steven would hunt her down anyway and charm his way back into her life. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? Seriously. . I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. Its as if they cant control it. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. Dianes story does not contradict that. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. I care about the experts reports written about Diane because they know her situation and mental state. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. Or can have an accomplice. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. (that one is more of a question). She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). I know that most people think she is guilty. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Inflammatory and speculative I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. I dont know the woman. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Her husband James Krauseneck was charged with her murder in November of this year. It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. I go fishing with a jurors husband. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. statement regarding the effects of the childrens medications while in hospital should acknowledge where the blogger obtained information about the side effects.). And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. The lack of balance and objectivity. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. It should be removed from the blog. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. Every single one. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? I was shocked any asked why she thought that. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. Thanks again. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. 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