The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. Nothing fuels religious extremism more than the belief that one has found the absolute moral truth. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had One of Temple's main And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? Moon is traveling through Cancer today. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Sirius. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. by Philip Coppens. This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). 30-31. They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. York: Random House, 1995). [15] An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object,[16] something previously suggested by Holberg in 2007: Benest and Duvent found that stable orbits with a period of up to six years exist around Sirius A. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. Dogon to explain their beliefs. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. On top of that, there is another star, Sirius B, orbiting at an average distance of about 20 AU (1 AU is the distance between the Earth and Sun). They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") Bullard, Thomas. (2004). There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? by Liam McDaid. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Inevitably one must ask, if the Dogons had heard good stories about Sirius from other sources, would they ignore them or would they quickly adopt them into their own cultural myths? Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." According to Griaule and [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. "There is some evidence," he points out, "that the Dogon like to frame pictures with an ellipse, and that Temple may be mistaken about the claim that in Dogon mythology the planets and Sirius-B move in elliptical orbits." Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. space. by Liam McDaid. Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). things. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. Griaule, Marcel. They point out that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians used spherical lenses6 (even though they are a bad choice to use in telescopes try seeing an image through a glass bead). by Liam McDaid. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. But from whom? "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. some 8.6 light years from earth. This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. "It does not!" The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. The Dogon People Revisited.. The Dogon Revisited The Dogon. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. The greatest source of error, however, seems to be in Temple's specified location of Behdet. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? But other observers disagree. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. The alleged visitors from outer space After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. The cartographer took all such factors into account. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. Figure 2. rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! Knowledge of the stars is not important var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
" + t); Want to know your future? WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Beware of mood swings. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". extraterrestrial visitors? I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. Copyright 19922023. It seems likely that we will never know for sure. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. % Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Perhaps the source was Temple Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? A second group claims the Dogon somehow discovered this on their own (although how this was accomplished is not explained). Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. The Dogon and Sirius. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible The Dogon and Sirius. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. Griaule either The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. So it merely remains for any interested reader to check and see which of us is correct. [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. myths by confabulation." What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, a companion to the star We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. They seem to have You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. 1995. In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. <> Were aliens, lost technology or something else entirely involved? Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. 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