And its what warns me to stay away from DW. A good defense lawyer could shred this poor woman on a witness stand in cross examinationa few of her claims could be seen as exaggerated. And no, I have not loaded up to Go West, but about a century ago my father did live in Blackfoot, Idaho for a time, and there are some relatives (whom I have never met) scattered around there somewhere. Most of the Wilsonisms in question appear to be attempts at jokes that were DOA. Wasnt thinking! A good defense lawyer could shred this poor woman on a witness stand in cross examinationa few of her claims could be seen as exaggerated. Calling Wilson names only hardens their support for him. In that case, Wilson sat on the abusers side of the courtroom and argued for leniency on sentencing. He teaches that slaves in the antebellum south enjoyed a mutually beneficial relationship with their masters. I only discovered this after parting ways with my former cult. I read that link and thought it pretty bizarre! At least one crime is alleged to have been committed here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_UUNSskzU&feature=em-share_video_user. from http://www.headcoveringmovement.com/, The wearing of fabric head coverings in worship was universally the practice of Christian women until the twentieth century. Me three!!!! Well, since Doug Wilson cannot even acknowledge the little children who were victims of the member from his own church, I would not expect him to support Doug Phillips' victim in any way. Reply . Masterson was. Such a matter could be dealt with privately within his church and locally by the civil courts and county law enforcement. But its NOT CONSENT, its SURVIVAL. Nancy, I do not assume the every victim is automatically totally helpless. I have won cases where I thought there was no hope. It goes to show, some people can often perceive the truth before full evidence is manifested. He is father of One (Patch Shepherd Phillips). Nauseating thought, but, I fear, only too likely the case. Does he even care? [16] Phillips had left the church in July.[17]. ha ha ha Am I spouting heresy? (I disagree about the wrongness of calling adults sweet. They did not stop it. BTW, my dad's name is Doug Phillips (not the same guy!!) These folks make their living off this stuff. Probably the theory that slavery is acceptable will be expanded as an innovation to what theorists believe are philosophical unified systems. Right.. Im pure as the driven snow, and I counsel lowly ADDICTS with just the Bible would not likely understand how insulted I felt. Did we suddenly find some biblical truth to which the saints for thousands of years were blind? Pingback: Lourdes Torres-Manteufel vs Doug Phillips Lawsuit Informational Resource Page | Spiritual Sounding Board. I believe you are right here. Sproul Jr. (*spit*). Please comment on this. And we need to learn how to do all that whether we are the potential perp or the potential victim or some combination of both perp and victim. In a quiet but agitated voice, she stated something like this: I am one of those patients of that dentist, and youre saying all kinds of things that arent true about the situation and about me. If clarity is central to writing, how good of a communicator (let alone a comedian) can you be when people cant even understand why your jokes are funny? Its only one of many victim stereotypes that Ive encountered, nearly all of which infantilise the target (not the usual word but I prefer it to victim). How I wish we would again understand that so that we could at least set our children free. It just seems that we are dealing with more extreme theological views on the right of theological spectrum without a careful basis in scripture: family versus church, and procreation versus pleasurable aspect of sex with some kind of family planning being acceptable; or patriarchy versus more egalitarian view on women in the church. Besides, everyone is not going to believe her anyway. @ Hester: he much prefers wit to wisdom Yeah, Metzlers writings helped me understand why I fell into flashbacks when listening/reading Wilson, and felt a bizarre fascination. They know it makes them look like wild-eyed apocalypse types. Many citizens minimize his impact on city zoning laws, ignore his toxic theology, or, are so flattered by a bottle of wine and a dinner invitation that they view him as a community asset. Is this accurate? . I suspect the same for Mohler, although his gifts are not academic but political. The worst part was having to read his dreck. I wish I wasnt so intimately aware of how it all works. However, the woman could not have brought forth Christ without the man, as the Scripture says, Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. Nancy, I do not assume the every victim is automatically totally helpless. Wilsons charisma carries a threat of violence which is titillating for many people, I think. https://web.archive.org/web/20071011032036/http://www.dougsplotch.com/blackjack.htm. I think this is why successful sociopaths appear both ludicrous and bewildering, insisting on obviously silly ideas even while many people are held under their sway. And then that links right on into the enlightenment idea that if you can perfectly capture the nature of something in your language describing it, you have achieved the ultimate philosophy. On her terms, she was seduced into a compromised position and conflicted state of mind. Well, let me explain it to you honey. Most people whove never gone to or studied churches like that cant even conceive of such things. I have been interested in Doug Wilson because he reminds me of my abusive pastor-father. . I wish I had used words too. The thing is, and I think another commenter alluded to this: This Book was never intended to be the do-it-all-yourself manual that its been elevated to be in this particular camp. @ Marie2: I will check in with his blog once a month or so. Dan Busby, president of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability a certification agency that does not count Phillips ministry as a member said its not unusual to see a related for-profit business next to a nonprofit ministry. All those war metaphors mean something around Wilson. Well, if the law in TX states that a counselee/parishioner (i.e., Torres) having an affair with their pastor (i.e., Doug) is not legally able to give consent and correct me if Im wrong that that is what that clergy sex abuse statute says and thats what was indeed going on, then Torres basically was in the position of a minor in the eyes of the law and theres nothing Wilson can do about it. from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/masher: One who, or that which, mashes. Creepy IMO. He also appears to be a polymath of immense intellect capability. The Golden Rule is slowly trashed as fear and lawlessness creep in. Carson article on the Gospel Coalition website, and I saw a prominently placed ad for this website on the right side of the page: Once that association is made, it could literally take serious brain surgery to undo it, because the person is entirely unaware that his/her entire identity is tied up in following such a psycho. But when compared to, say, Gary North, James Dobson, John Piper, Al Mohlerwell, at least theres something going on in Doug W. Maybe thats it. We have such dowdy dimly-lit leaders that when someone comes along who enjoys playing around, it can seem like brilliance. I continue to believe that this whole thing should be sorted through by Christians, with a view to our testimony before a watching world. Phillips, please describe in detail what transpired when you were alone with her. Mr. Related terms[edit] Please make an announcement when you get that blog post done. If I am better than x, I am ok. Maybe it appeals to the competitive side of humans, which can result in class structures of all sorts? b>@ Eagle: Which is why Im also bemused when people go on about his wonderful writing/communication skills. The point about pastors and fathers applies equally here too. But I would say, do not despair over American evangelicalism, it died decades ago (if it was ever alive in the first place). may be different from Doug Phillips, but some of the results of his personal cleverness and charisma are the same. I guess for Doug Wilson slavery in the south can be called Gospel Centered Slavery :-p. Mr. C looking like a Southern plantation owner sitting next to the African freedom fighter is actually appalling to these eyes. Yoopers have a habit of saying youse guys or often putting eh after a statement. This is an excellent presentation given by an attorney who is very involved with the issue. Stacy McDonald echoes it: ..if she had not gone to the media, but instead sought Christian arbitration; and, if her family, her church, and the people in her community all wound up believing her, wouldnt that be enough? Perhaps someday providential trauma will shake them from their happy apathy and their seemingly lack of empathy for those like Lourdes Torres-Manteufel who were groomed for years to serve an undeserving human master and to override any cognitive dissonance or conflicted emotions about so doing. I have been guilty of this. Sovereign Grace Ministries Im very interested in the survivalist connections in patriarchy but havent had time to sit down and do the legwork yet. My fervent prayer is that very soon everyone can safely come to this ancient, amazing beautiful place and see it for themselves, and make fast friends. Why would we not do that? Well, it appears that Doug Wilson is now 'venting his spleen' as evidenced by what he just wrote about Doug Phillips (see below). We sent our kids to a Wilsonite classical Christian school for a few years, and after awhile we felt that something just wasnt right. The perps did that. Or were our biblical views of women gradually eroded by the modern feminist movement that has infiltrated the Church? R.C. If Wilson is the intellectual wing of evangelicalism, I despair. So right out of the gate, the prophet and figurehead of the movement has discredited himself. Somewhere, I cant remember where, I read a translation of woman as man-ess. Sproul How I wish we would again understand that so that we could at least set our children free. He advocates biblical patriarchy, creationism, homeschooling, the Quiverfull movement, and the family integrated church. Hes intelligent and quick and has an excellent memory, but hes not original. . I believe that one defense of the dark arts is to learn to read the Bible for oneself, but that is a whole nuther topic. But I would not stake out positions, as Wilson has done. Of course not. (Remember Seven Brides for Seven Brothers? His wife was on Instagram for a while and he made an appearance there. So when you do comment do you have any idea how big a piece of the survivalist pie Rawles has? (discussing a lawsuit filed against Doug Phillips, et al by a former nanny) . To be gracious but also quick to say no? It is a blessing that Moscow is a small university town where his hateful rhetoric and his almost daily mocking sneers and foul adolescent language targeting gay and lesbian people, marginalize him. Looking forward to reading your research results. Wilsons snark is a corruption of humor like kitsch is a corruption of visual art. Things dont always turn out as one thought. Even Vision Forum proven they are in the heathen and publician spot, by covering for him and ignoring multiple warnings and writings from the church at large that their teachings are unbiblical. Im sorry you had this experience. Societies need to take responsibility for them. I live in the south for my work. Oops my lengthy post got into moderation. (Ugh, just typing that made me a bit nauseous.) Just like Casey Anthony, I believe that Phillips is guilty and it is not based on reading one article in the Huffington Post. Wilson isnt laboring for an academic tradition, or the glory of God, or love, or out of empathy for his fellow man. Hello from Moscow Idaho, the community that Doug Wilson longs to control. Doug Wilson is deranged. I dont know Doug Phillips or the woman who has brought the lawsuit. I have been reading a book she wrote on prayer. lol. But he was right in saying that it was complicated. Isnt there a way to pay a settlement without admitting anything just to make it all go away? @ Rosmary Huskey: Thrilled for both of them as they start their life together. He modified his abuse to suit the personalities of each of his five children, and he went about it methodically. "Given that, either his sexual attentions were entirely unwelcome, or they were not. I mean, that shtick is straight out of a porn flick! . Folks with the mindset of Doug Wilson are beyond scary. Menken early in life so that he could get this write-up published in Slate magazine much later. You keep up the battle. My former cult has been making inroads into Deary for the past few years. These two cities of a combined hundred thousand people with the Canadian side housing 75, 000 citizens and share a common border along the St- Marys River wich connects Lake Superior and Lake Huron. Cold hearted patriarch begets cold-hearted patriarch. Which is a good thing! And God is on their side just like Hes on the widows side. The kind of thinking that victims have somehow participated or asked for it has been more common than not in the past; but if you find yourself thinking such things, please do some in-depth reading on the subject. Sproul is one. This is an important point in examining Pauls argumentation and reasoning. Her incapacity is allegedly the result of the whole patriarchal world that she was enveloped in. And I think youre right about the quick thinking and such like. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. A 13yo can give verbal consent to sex too, but that doesnt make it any less statutory rape legally. The woman was 15 when she met Phillips in 1999 through her parents' involvement in the homeschooling movement. Ty 4 posting. And just to be clear on one thing. a non-repentant church member, especially one in authority is the same as that.. You bring perspective. In other words, I think Wilson cracks himself up. I dont see anything wrong with sweet per se, but in all candor, it rankles my strong-willed, masters degree, yankee wife some when shes referred to by some sales clerk 20 years her junior as sweetie. Did Jesus ever say word one about women needing to dress a certain way? Reminds me of Much Ado About Nothing: This learned constable is too cunning to be understood.. But I do believe that the perp is building a trap, kind of like a child building a tinker toy house around him and not being able to get out, by his self-perception that he is a logical genius. Okay, I see what you are saying. Yes!!!! That did not associate in my mind with being a psychopath. The couple tied the knot during the show's first season, but happily ever after may not be working out for them. I am going to have to look into this further. ^ Mash Note at World Wide Words my short answer to your question is oh, thats EASY..Blame Canada! lines taken from a SouthPark movie. the scripture you refer to about not going to worldy courts was written to a church that would not judge its own righteously and therefore allowed sin to grow and not be addressed. Solzhenitsyn said: You can maintain power over people as long as you give them something. Also, the whole order of creation argument is a bit silly if we take the order of Gen 1-2 at face value, Adam was created last, so does that mean that he is somehow less than or subordinate to the animals? I know my friend once posted a song about shoes to my FB wall and then I got shoe ads in my sidebar for the next week. She was an adult, and so if his attentions were not entirely unwelcome, she was a player in the vice, not a victim. Anyone remember Cee Jay and his chuckle chuckle at everything he himself says? She is not telling the truth. The victim in this would have been Beall, with two people victimizing her. For more than 26 years, the Basketball Wives star has been married to former NBA player and current Sacramento Kings assistant coach Doug Christie. Honestly, to say that people man, woman, child should dress appropriately ought to be enough. By R.L. It puts blame on her for his actions, by assuming a mutual relationship. @ Marie2: 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Perhaps those subjected to control with limited or no options (e.g. Douglas Phillips, the man who founded Vision Forum Ministries, spoke strongly about family values, modesty/purity, about the role of fathers in Christian home, loving their wives, etc. I am well acquainted with the (former) VF community and I really think his name is pretty irredeemable to them. I didnt learn this from watching the antics of Doug Wilson. I wouldnt be surprised if the folks I work with, male or female, might call me sweet on occasion. Awwww.How about herbal beverage, or a nice sherry? He is quick with it, though, and he relishes it. It wouldnt surprise me. Fear is a huge component in these circles fear of the government, fear of public schools, etc. . But the stereotype also fails because a person who has no heart loses intelligence. After cancelling all planned speaking engagements, Phillips, however, on Wednesday (Nov. 6) said he will still maintain ownership of the affiliated Vision Forum Inc., a for-profit company. Eventually it creates a pervasive suspicion, even to the earth itself. One of his board, Don Hart helped protect him from losing his law license and he didnt have any accountability in his church. And its not funny, not one bit. Even the head covering passage say we have no such practise and decide for yourself. Doug is like this. I totally believe the plaintiff. hope youre enjoying the coffee in the moderation cafe!! Bingo! Kudos to you for your bravery to share here!!!!!!!! Theological views such as these were considered pass generations ago. Yes, and I do believe the plaintiff.I would believe the plaintiff even if all the stories did not line up. perhaps an illegal immigrant who works in a situation where the boss provides the job, the living arrangements, the money, the transportation etc.) Ex Cathedra. Emhoff's kids, and Harris' step kids, Cole and Ella. I cannot respond to any comments. Patrice and brad, I believe youve both hit on a central part of the appeal of Doug Wilson. Lewis, with three firsts from Oxford, then a fellowship at Oxford, finally a full professorship at Cambridge, and with that great body of literary, theological and scholarly work, was a scholar and a wit. Despite their ups and. I've been wanting to write about it for quite some time, as you know. He is also a leader in Reconstructionism. Yes, he just cant use the word criminal or pervert. I read some of his version 2.0 blog yesterday. PS IMHO Old Spice stinks no offense to anyone who enjoys the aroma. Hes still a patriarchist last I heard. I have won cases where I thought there was no hope. 64 come up! Its all very high school that way. hippie fest 2022 michigan; family picture poses for 5 adults; unforgettable who killed rachel; pacific northwest college of art notable alumni; adler sense of belonging family constellation Too often Christians seem to misunderstand what Paul is saying and why he is saying it. Douglas Phillips entered Ms. Torres's bedroom and without her consent began touching her breasts, stomach, back, neck, and waist. My sweetie story took place in Sears hardware dept. While there are many aspects of Wilsons sickening and destructive rule Metzler does not have personal knowledge of (Wilson has been at it a long time, and Metzler moved away from Moscow a few years ago), those aspects he reports on as an eyewitness are sickening. If VF and the Patriarchy crowd are bound and determined to keep justice away from Lourdes and all other servant-women in their movement, then they all have the right to take it to a higher court. I am indebted for this information to the late well-known impresario [Albert Marshall] Palmer of New York, and I made a note of it years before the term had become at all popular. It appears that while as he has been fighting homosexuality and feminism as threats to marriage, he has actually been the threat. An innovation is that Trinitarianism is evolving into semi- Arianism as an extension of complementarianism. What happened to Doug Phillips' victim and her ensuing confusion is a direct result of both of these men's teaching. The family integrated church is a movement that has Doug Phillips as one of its advocates has been not been embraced by the BBFI or by influential theologians in the GARBC. I am glad he stepped down from leadership, and am glad he cancelled his future speaking engagements, and that is all to the good. When you read down into the article, heres the dispute: the killer had a crush on the victim, which she did not return; she acquired a boyfriend; the killer asked her to the prom, she declined, he killed her. 25 years later, I have only just told my husband. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wesley_Rawles And from time to time a reader will call out Wilson on this on his blog and then will get blasted by the Wilson fanboys and occasionally by Wilson himself. (Any surprise that the spirit of this world which lurks behind all worldly endeavors seeking whom he may destroy instigates virulent enmity towards women at every opporunity?). I get that. It obfuscates the real issues and alienates through misrepresentation the people that need to see the damage that their ideas have on people. 66% of those will never speak about it until they are adults if ever. Judging by the two books of his that Ive read, I cant agree. He often will be good to those who are loyal to him (as long as they are) since they reflect his glory back to him. btw, the word but in that verse can also be translated as and or moreover. In fact, in that era there were a couple of malignant ministries and churches around, and the leader at a relatively healthy church in town once told me that a main part of their ministry was to help the refugee Christians whod been hurt by those other churches. Phillips was not the victim in those cases and they do not lessen his culpability for the relationship overall. Yeah, its not funny. I wish she hadnt said that. Of course, all fraudulent. And there seems to be moral violation of the tenets of christianity by at least one persons actions and perhaps by both personss actions. Ive said the same about Jerry Seinfeld: It is derived from the initials U.P. 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