Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in . The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. and .351" JSP bullets. In the real world, hunters can find the .30-30 loaded with projectiles between 125 grains and 170 grains, and the .35 Rem. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. I double lunged a buck with a 225gr. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. [4] When compared to other medium bore rounds, the .351 SL is closer in power to the .35 Remington (200 grain .358 bullet at 1,950 to 2,000 fps from a 20-inch barrel) than it is to the .357 Magnum carbine (158 grain bullet at about 1,800 fps). Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. Winchesters 160-grain Power Max gives very similar performance, though with a bonded-core hollowpoint bullet. Another interesting tidbit about the .35 Remington is the alleged use of a Remington Model 8 chambered in the cartridge by legendary Texas Ranger Frank Hamer in the final ambush that killed Bonnie & Clyde in 1934. However, the most popular rifle chambered in .35 Remington is the Marlin Model 336 lever-action rifle. The range of bullet weights available (not to mention the diameter of each cartridge) put the .30-30 and .35 Rem. [ this is not a 35 Remington ] NO SALES to CALIFORINA OR ILLINIOS. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. We sell ammunition by the box and bulk ammo in case quantities. Likewise, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington can sustain 1711 foot-pounds of energy for a 100-yard distance. However, they are high pressure loads and should only be used in modern firearms, such as the Marlin 336, that are in good condition. was simply a .308 Win. Today, most major manufacturers offer multiple actions chambered in .30-30. It is probably best restricted to use on animals of not more than about 50 pounds live weight, such as small predators. The Deer Season XP load from Winchester, using the 150-grain load at 2325 fps still has 903 ft.-lbs. For me, that puts it over the top. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. Its even more effective when using some of the hotter loads (like those from Buffalo Bore) available on the market. Its cheap, easy to shoot, and most importantly, effective on whitetail in close quarters. This is a very stout load for the .35 Remington. 30-30 vs 45-70 WHICH LEVER ACTION IS BEST FOR YOU TO HUNT WITH? cast bullets to .352". Both cartridges are eminently shootable. Due in part to this rounds greater popularity and in part to the R&D surrounding .30-caliber pills, the .30-30 can be loaded with far more advanced projectiles. Mag. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. There seem to be fewer choices each year, and thats a shame. If youd like to read a more detailed discussion on a couple of other .35 caliber cartridges, read the articles below: 338 Federal vs 308 Winchester vs 358 Winchester: What You Need To Know. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. Winchester model 1907 in .351 winchester. On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. Richard Mann cases and .357-cal. The .35 Remington load using the 150-grain Core-Lokt obtains just about the same muzzle velocity, with a bullet having a lower B.C. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. It was a gift from my father for my 15th birthday, andat least to the young man who received itmarked a passage into manhood. Following the sale of Remington Outdoor Company's assets in September 2020, Vista Outdoor purchased Remington Ammunition. The .223 Rem. In 1953, the cartridge found its home in Marlins 336 lever-action, but it also was favored by many who hunted big game with single-shot pistols like the Contender. The .351 Winchester Self-Loading (.351 WSL, .351 SL). of muzzle energy with traditional loads, and the hot-rod LeveRevolution will certainly offer an improvement in ballistic figures, but the advancements are parallel between the two cartridges. A 35 Rem or .358 Win would have been perfect for the situation. S .Click for more info. In particular, the .35 Remington offers a marked advantage over the .30-30 Winchester when hunting very large, tough, and/or dangerous game like moose and grizzly bear. These advertisements typically featured hunters fearlessly facing down wolves and grizzly bears with their trusty Remington Auto-Loading Rifle chambered in the potent .35 Remington cartridge. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. from a 20" It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. I give the edge to the apparently timeless .30-30 Winchester for the availability alone; there are dozens of factory loads to choose from, and being .30-caliber is never a bad thing. The .30/30 Winchester was introduced in 1895 for Winchesters model 1894 lever-action rifle and is unquestionably the most popular cartridge ever chambered in a lever-gun. Thanks for your support. were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. was introduced in 1955. Naturally, this resulted in performance compromises and the The Remington Model 673 Guide Rifle was chambered in .350 Rem. Along with the rifle, they introduced four new rimless cartridges: the .25 Remington, the .30 Remington, the .32 Remington, and the .35 Remington. Both conceived in the early 20th century, the .270 Winchester and the .30-06 Springfield are ballistically similar, easy to find, and chambered in a wide variety of rifles. Mag. More importantly, everything it makes has the performance to match. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. Its flatter trajectory helps hunters reach across the open country, and I doubt theres a real ranch west of the big river that doesnt have a .30/30 lever-gun behind the kitchen door, if not behind the truck seat. Re: 35 Remington vs. 358 Winchester. Perhaps thats why it has survived. Soon after, the classic 150- and 170-grain loads took root, and due to the tubular magazines of so many popular rifles, round nose bullets were employed. The .35 Rem. Note: A longer version of this article can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. Which cartridge wins? Other Remington posters publicized the ability of the cartridgeto penetrate a 5/16 of steel plate, a feat the .30-30 Winchester could not match. Most only in imaginations. The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. By contrast, the .35 Rem. However, the biggest shortcoming in the cartridge is limited effective range. These strengths along with the Marlin 336 ease of carry (foot or horseback) and its open iron sights make it possibly the best bear protection firearm out there. Make sure you follow The Big Game Hunting Blog onFacebook,Instagram,Twitter, andYouTube. Ohio and southern Michigan are just two examples of areas where the shotgun slug has been replaced by straight-walled cartridges like the .45-70 Government, .444 Marlin and, more recently, the .450 Bushmaster. of energy with a 7.5-pound rifle, according to Chuck Hawks recoil table. Which is the more useful cartridge? On the other side of the aisle, the .35 Rem. clearly more powerful than the .30-30. [5] Most ammunition available today for the .351 SL is produced by a few boutique manufacturers, often using either cast lead bullets or copper-plated bullets or, occasionally, .358 jacketed bullets resized to .351 or .352 caliber. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. The benefits of .350 Legend are that it is indeed inexpensive and produces lower recoil. Its just about perfect for the deer woods, and you can easily teach a youngster the art of shooting an iron-sighted lever rifle without punishing recoil. The new 350 Legend has the benefit of modern engineering, and the fact that it wasnt designed specifically for a tubular magazine. The .351 SL cartridge used an unusual bullet diameter of .351 instead of the .357 or .358 more commonly used in .35-caliber rifle cartridges. For .30-30, the same search produced 5,841 results. My mom made the best elk pot roast, Outstanding article. Ballistics vs. .35 Rem. For this reason, the .35 Remington is most popular in the northeast and southeast regions of the United States where shooting ranges are short. "Winchester Model 07 Self-Loading .351 Caliber: Its Past and Its Future with Modern Brass, Bullets and Powders" (2011) Speckin, Leonard pp 68-70, "Winchester Model 07 Self-Loading .351 Caliber: Its Past and Its Future with Modern Brass, Bullets and Powders" (2011) Speckin, Leonard pp 88-96, Last edited on 25 February 2023, at 22:24, ".351 Winchester Self-Loading (.351 WSL, .351 SL)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.351_Winchester_Self-Loading&oldid=1141606901, This page was last edited on 25 February 2023, at 22:24. I can certainly see the Midwest deer hunters making a switch to the 350 Legend over any of the .40 to .45 caliber cartridges, as the 350 Legend offers the Goldilocks just right formula: a good balance of striking power and ease of shooting. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. These bullets weigh 171 grains with a .348 caliber gas The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). Accuracy was always regarded as fair at best from Model 07 carbines. With the traditional loads, the .30-30 will drive its 150- and 170-grain bullets to a muzzle velocity of 2400 and 2250 fps respectively, while the .35 Remington launches its 180- and 200-grain bullets at 2100 and 2080 fps. As a result, the cartridge does not have a very flat trajectory. Which of these two classic lever-action rifle deer and big-game cartridges is best? Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. The Big Game Hunting Blog is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca, Amazon.com.au, and other Amazon stores worldwide. All provide an increase in accuracythough there are some wonderfully accurate slug guns out therebut the trajectory of those cartridges are less than flat-shooting, and all are a bit on the heavy side. It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. Winchester introduced the .351 WSL in 1907 for their Model It wasn't and isnt a long-range cartridge, but at distances inside of 125 to 150 yards, the .35 Remington surely gets the job done. My own 94 Winchester is coming out of the safe this year, freshly adorned with a new front sight and rear peep from Skinner Sights; even middle-aged eyes get a new lease on life, and Im having lots of fun from the bench with my old friend. Since it had no competitor at the time, and since it filled an important medium bore niche, the .35 Remington quickly caught on with hunters in the United States. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. By The .35 Remington (8.9 x 49 mm) is the only remaining cartridge from Remington's lineup of medium-power rimless cartridges still in commercial production. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. This means I will earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you) if you make a purchase. The most common load is a 200gr round nose soft point traveling between 2,000 and 2,100 feet per second. the standard .357"-.358" used by modern .35 caliber cartridges. I shoot the 200 grain Hornady interlock factory loads in mine. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). .351 cartridge enjoyed a rather long production life. From 100 yards it was tracked with 1861 foot-pounds of awesome power. Whether you're shooting a break-action, pump-action, or semiautomatic, Sign up for the Field & Stream newsletter and get the latest intelligence straight to your inbox. .30-30 Win. If you don't intend to hunt beyond 200Yards, save you money keep your 35 Rem in a Marlin platform and scope it with a Leupold. One of the oldest and most popular cartridges of all time, the .30-30 Winchester, was released in 1895 and has been bringing down all manner of game ever since. Well probably never really know for sure, but it is certainly possible that he used a Remington Model 8 in the famous shootout, though it very likely did not have an extended magazine (as alleged by some sources). Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. G. gunswizard. Remington made great efforts to promote the power of the .35 Remington by featuring the cartridge, along with their revolutionary new semi-automatic rifle, in many advertisements during the first half of the 20th Century. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. The .351 Winchester SL cartridge had but one loading, a 180-gr. Yes, there was a .35 Win., introduced in 1903, although it's commonly thought that the .35 Rem. This is partly due to the wide availability of ammo and partly due to the cartridges extended reach. It is true that the cartridge has its limitations, but used under the right circumstances, itis an outstanding choice. The .351 SL proved popular with police and security forces as the only chambering available in the model 1907, and was used by France in both world wars. In the years since, the .35 Rem. The .35 Remington was releasedas one of a quartet of rimless cartridges from Remingtonin 1906; it is a rimless affair designed for their Model 8 autoloading rifle. Semi-automatic and striker-fired, the P320-XTEN is extremely accurate, easy to shoot even with powerful 10mm loads and holds 15-plus-one rounds. Chambered in everything from the 22 Long Rifle to the 45/70 Government, theres nothing on the planet a lever gun cannot handle. Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. Because of its power and versatility, many generations of hunters from states as varied as Maine, North Carolina, Texas, and Georgia have successfully hunted deer, moose, bear, and hogs (like the one in the photo below) with the .35 Remington. Like most of our Caliber Battles, the choice here is between a lighter bullet going faster (the .30-30) and a heavier bullet going slower (the .35 Rem.). Finally, Winchester had developed an autoloader powerful enough to truly be used on North American big game. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. Its simply a matter of velocity and ballistic coefficient; the 30-30 pushes the lighter and more aerodynamic 30-caliber bullet faster so it has a flatter trajectory. bullet than the .35 Remington. Chiefly because of the handy Winchester '07 carbine, the According to the 45th Edition of the Lyman The .30-30 Winchester has the unique claim of being the first cartridge designed to run on both black powder and the revolutionary smokeless powder. and the .32 Win. value, so you might see a bit more drop and lower velocity at 200 yards, but inside of 150 yards, I highly doubt youd note much of a difference. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, Head to Head: .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington, Head to Head: .338-06 A-Square vs. .35 Whelen, Head to Head: .458 Win. 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